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We have two aircraft, or what appear to be aircraft in trail in the Rapid City area.

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It's been pointed out as traffic to some of the other parts of the city.

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I've got reports from our approach. We've got two aircraft, or what appear to be aircraft in trail in the Rapid City area.

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It's been pointed out as traffic to some of our end-on-end. None of them have been able to see it.

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But it's been verified on radar and Denver Center also had it on radar with the speed of starting out at 300 to 400.

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And it's been on up to better than 950.

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And if you'd like to get some information on it, you can contact Delta with the project control and I can give you a follow-up.

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Hold on.

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And they may still have it on radar.

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Okay, one was Denver Center.

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The other one is Denver Center.

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That's your wish. I appreciate that.

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You're welcome. Thank you.

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It's been on our research channel.

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Yes, I did.

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Could you give us some information on the object you're tracking on radar?

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Yes, we picked up an object possibly 15 miles from the base here.

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And it basically started out tracking about three or maybe 400 miles an hour.

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He was eastbound. He went straight at one of our aircrafts that we had in the area.

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And then he went to the light at him about three miles.

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And then this thing picked up speed and we were estimating it well, except for about 1,000 miles.

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We called our center, Aircraft Control Center here, Denver.

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And they did get him for one or two speeds that he was going east.

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But shortly after each of us, we picked up another one possibly the same position.

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And he followed the other one straight out.

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About the same speed?

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A little bit slower, but no, we still haven't tested enough space in the center.

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That's what we're looking for.

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Did the aircraft, there was a truck by the end, or did they see it visually?

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No, we called a couple of times and we got a little weather ceiling here and they couldn't see him.

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We got an armored arm and didn't get to go near him.

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I've got 12 years in the type of business.

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And we were definitely stuck.

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Right now we're trying to get a hold of Morad and see if they had any fighters in the area.

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But even if they did, had them too, at the same time, at the same place, they're not being told about it.

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We just had to eat them all and needed to go in there.

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What time did this occur?

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It was about 20 minutes ago.

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15 minutes ago, I can get you inside the terminal and show it to you.

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Hold on a second, okay?

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Okay, then, well, 18 minutes again.

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Okay.

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We're getting a good strong return generator.

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Oh, that's what you're doing.

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Then he has some other size, is that what you're saying?

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As far as size, there's not much we want to estimate.

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I was judging from the aircraft that we had come in tonight.

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I was stating that a fairly good size target, both of them, the little returns that we had

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and judging from the other aircraft that we had tonight.

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It might be a little interesting to you.

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It's a problem or not, but just a few minutes ago, we'll have to restart attracting these things.

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We've lost completely lost all of our radars, but I don't know what anybody else has or not, but

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we've lost most of our radars, which are unusual.

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Are they still ours?

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Yeah, we can get them back to us.

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Okay.

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And we've got a radar with a back-up channel.

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We went to the back-up channel and we talked to George that I was here with for you.

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Okay, this has happened before.

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Oh, I didn't know that.

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Yeah, it has.

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How long will you do this whole thing, a crew?

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From the time we take to London, from the time we lost them, about three minutes,

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they went from 15 miles east to west to 60 miles east to west in less than two minutes.

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And then we had to report from then, though, that they were 75 and 80 miles east,

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east to west is still going, in the Minneapolis area.

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Got away with anybody that had taken that by no different, did get it for a short time.

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How close did you get to the radar?

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He was about three miles.

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Okay.

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Okay, who am I talking to?

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That's us.

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Okay.

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I'm sure we should appreciate the information.

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Yeah, it's probably going to be more helpful, but right now, we've got all the radar.

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We're trying to get that back there and we're trying to find out what the hell happened.

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It's like we're using it for us.

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Okay, what facility is this again?

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It's a pod control facility for all board airports, most of the city.

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Okay, very good.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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Good morning, this is Phenomenal Research in Seattle.

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Do you have any information on the objects that were tracked on the radar this morning?

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What are you speaking of and where did you get the information?

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The work is at Ellwoodsworth, the radar approach with tracking.

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And you got the information from that?

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I just finished talking to them, yes.

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We really don't have much to add to what their radar is.

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They're just standardized.

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They're just several types of flashes, moving approximately five to six inches on the radar at the end of time.

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They were approximately arched in the same direction as the antennas.

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I would say more than likely they were some type of a secondary return off the radar system itself.

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They say that if they move in different areas, I could say that they possibly could have been something other than we were tracking ourselves.

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Being in the same area all the time and on the same kind of a strobe line on the radar, I just had to be to say that as much as anything.

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Is that a pretty strong return there?

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No, it wasn't. You'd get one return and then you would get about five or six sweeps of the radar, which were six seconds sweeps.

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And then you might get another return.

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The blips were always, normally I'd say, about all the time we're laying in the same direction.

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Which would indicate that maybe it might be a second time around a false return, maybe another beacon on the scope in another area.

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Normally what you'd pick up a return on the radar, it would be perpendicular to the strobe itself.

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But in many cases these lines would be parallel to the scope, to the sweep of the antenna.

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Which again, it indicates that it's something other than an ordinary radar that's going on in some part of the office.

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Did you check with Minneapolis Center at all of these? They were getting in.

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Yeah, we did.

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Okay.

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Control that we watch it and let's have it all at your top-ins for a second, okay?

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Thank you.

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Good morning.

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I'm understanding you tracked something, uh, the scope this morning.

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Well, we did see a couple of, uh, what could be primary targets, however, and they were intermittent.

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They were always watching the same, uh, same part.

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We had that five mile part.

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Okay.

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And, uh, they would paint and then they would disappear for a few minutes.

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Maybe they'd appear about 80 miles from where they appeared first time.

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And, uh, they, uh, most of the time would appear almost as if they were in line with the strobe lines.

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And then they'd start to change.

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There are different directions.

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Okay.

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That's all I can tell you.

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Okay. Were you on communication with Minneapolis Center at all?

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No, I wasn't.

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I did have another controller down there. He said nobody's contacted him.

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I see. Okay.

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All right, sir. Thank you very much.

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You bet.

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Thanks.

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That's a good one. That's a phenomenal research in Seattle.

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Did you people pick up on your radar, they ought to pick up too, with me and Tract, out of South Dakota this morning?

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I don't know what I think about it.

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Let me get to the watch supervisor if I can find it.

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Okay.

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Let's hear it just a second.

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They get on there. Right now, I'm not worried.

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I don't.

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I don't say anything on a lot of these about it.

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Okay.

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What do you people do these hours?

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We get up about two more hours, then over two hours.

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Okay.

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Did I ever call you when they come back in?

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Sure.

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That's not an FTS number then.

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No, sir.

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Okay.

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Okay. I'll have a minute of call here in a second.

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Thank you very much.

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You reported, sir?

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Yes, this is the area where I was going to call.

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Yes, sir.

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And you called with two others to do the work, and the report comes forward?

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Right.

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The report comes to two objects, that are known as the work track, the radar going over

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eastbound, over top to the corner.

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We wonder if you had picked up anything on that?

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No, or you had nothing on the notes that you reported, or what kind was this?

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Well, about 158 Pacific time.

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158 Pacific.

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That would be two hours ahead of us, right?

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Or behind us?

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No, two hours behind us.

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That would be 450, but not more than that.

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Yeah.

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No, you had nothing on it from the center.

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Of course, you're on our mass radar system, and we wouldn't probably pick them up.

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Right.

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But we'll go back to the broadcast and take a look.

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Do you see the eastbound?

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They were eastbound, it's hard, you know.

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Okay.

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We'll take a look at some of the scene reports by the back.

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Thank you very much.

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Okay.

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You have a reporting center?

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Yes, this is Minneapolis again.

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Yes.

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And after I talked to you, I did a little climbing through.

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I'm an alt-charity site spotter here.

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Yes.

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And one of them, the 24th, said that they had a clock in the Elmswood Rattcon earlier.

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Yes.

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And climbing about a supersonic job, you see, where it didn't know anything about.

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Is that what you might have had reference to?

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Yes, I know.

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Did you check it out with any of the...

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Oh, you didn't know?

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No, we hadn't got to the military.

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No, they wasn't identified as...

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No, they didn't...they had no information on it.

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I see.

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Okay.

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They wrapped out of Elmswood, which is in the map of the city, and talked to the military

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and cried, well, that'd be an Envers area.

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Right.

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Other than that, they can't give any leads.

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Well, they're not sure.

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They're not sure.

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They're probably with something out there.

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There's somebody else who's seen it besides you people.

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Who reported you, is it?

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It was an unknown facility.

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Oh.

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Then we talked to Denver.

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They said that they had something on their radar, but they weren't sure.

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It was a feedback from one of their own antennas or not.

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Hmm.

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Well, wish we got that one right ahead of Crosscheck, guys.

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We got our two systems over at the area.

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They picked it up between it.

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That's right.

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Thank you very much.

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That's right.

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That's a phenomenal research in Seattle.

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Could you give me the number for Rapcon at Elmsworth?

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Sure.

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Can't stand by.

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We were just advised by Elmsworth that Denver Center has picked up these, whatever they

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want to do.

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And they're heading on back on up our way.

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And our weather bureau's getting ready to take an ops, so they're going to look.

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Kind of strange, but our weather radar isn't working either.

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Well, that's out too.

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Yeah.

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They can't get it back up for some reason.

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And Elmsworth's antenna clip turned in also.

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And I've got Elmsworth on the line here if you can hold.

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Yeah, thanks.

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Go ahead, Elmsworth.

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This phenomenal research on the line.

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What's your number over there again?

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7845.

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And what's the first four or three?

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399-7845.

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Okay.

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You'll probably be calling in shortly.

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When Denver picked them up, they just get skin paints.

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Yeah, since the computer's down.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so they just got skin paints on it.

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Did they have any idea just what they expect the opposite might be?

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Sometimes you can tell, you know, by looking at the paint.

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But did they track two of them again?

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Huh.

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What was the location, you know?

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Okay, and they're returning back our way.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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We'll see you later.

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Thanks for calling.

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Bye.

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Okay, thank you.

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Okay, we'll, I hope you find something out on there.

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Okay, thanks very much.

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Bye.

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Controls, I think we'll be...

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Can you answer this?

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This is phenomenal research again.

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Yes, sir.

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Did you give us an update on what's going on?

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We got a call from Denver.

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Our radar has completely quit on us and we can't find out the reason why.

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We've got maintenance men out here and they can't find the reason right now.

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We just got a call from Denver a few minutes ago that they had tracked these targets back into our area.

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So, we're just sitting here flying and I understand from the people over in the city that their

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weather radar has quit on them now.

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Right.

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I just talked to our other people.

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They said they haven't been paying that close to attention but they haven't noticed anything.

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Like you can see there's an alarm.

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That's not stated in what...

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I really don't know.

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It's very unusual.

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Okay, has Denver given any estimate of speed on these things?

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No, I haven't.

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Let me give my assistant John Warren a chance to see what they've got.

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Okay.

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Go ahead.

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It's very strange to play with yeast.

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Okay, have you heard from NORAD regarding any military operations?

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Yes, sir.

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I've talked to the local division here, the 24th Air Division.

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They have absolutely no aircraft in this area.

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Anywhere within, you know, five or six hundred miles.

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In fact, the 24th region has millions of planes whatsoever.

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I talked to NORAD at...

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Yeah, you know, in Colorado.

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And they had no knowledge of anything in this area.

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And they didn't admit any tracking at all?

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No, sir.

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The unit worked 24.

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Yeah, well, of course, if you probably wouldn't anyway.

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Yeah, I called them back a second time to ask them if they would work in this area.

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And they had absolutely...

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Okay, I'll let you talk to Denver and give her explanation of what they said.

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Okay, thank you.

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Okay, I just talked to Denver and Denver has no estimate of the speed.

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They had their radar set on two-inch-a-mile range and said the target was really jumping across this scope.

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Yeah, on two-inch-a-mile range.

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So they had to be moving fast, but they have no estimate of the speed.

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Uh-huh. Okay.

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And Denver is not picking them up right now.

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Pardon me?

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Denver has no radar with them right now. They're not picking them up.

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Just out of curiosity, what do you think it is?

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I mean, I know what I think it is, but I can't say anything to the folks.

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Do you think it's anything unusual?

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Well, of course, we always lean to the possibility that this could be classified as a UFO.

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Whatever an individual wants to believe UFOs are.

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But the thing that really makes it a good mystery is the fact that your radar went out on you in the way it did.

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Yeah, I read on the weather radar the rest of the city.

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Because we've had cases before. They're not a frequent thing, but we have had cases before where the so-called UFO was being tracked and all the radar went out on them.

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I'll tell you, it sure fooled us.

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And, you know, we're sitting here and then the thing that was unusual about it, okay, we didn't say this before, but we had a Cessna 310 coming from the south and complete opposite direction.

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The airplanes that were targets that went east.

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Uh-huh.

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We got this one aircraft coming up from the south from Denver.

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And we started telling him about where these planes were because we picked up two more that were right in his area.

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And we started telling him about where these things were asking him to look for them.

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And just shortly after we started asking him to look for them, there's one was off our radar.

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Okay, we had a case the other night where Pyle was flying from, I think, a salt lake to a location in the southwest,

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in the corner of North Dakota, and he had an encounter with an object, or two objects at night.

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Two?

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So, and I think that was night before last.

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That's what we had with him.

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Yeah, I think that was night before last.

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Yeah.

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And he called in and reported about that, so maybe they picked your area for some reason.

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Maybe it's because you're good weather there.

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Uh, I don't know.

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Just a second.

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I've got my radar made as people are.

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Beep.

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Our antenna is broken off.

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It's dead over.

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We're turning off all of our equipment in here now.

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Apparently something has completely clipped off our radar.

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I mean, physically pushed it over.

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Okay, I live here.

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It's about 30 miles an hour sometimes up to 40.

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However, from past experience, and working with this particular type radar,

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that is not sufficient wind to cause the kind of damage that he's, you know, talking to us about.

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Do you have any other electronic problems, any radio problems?

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Uh, not that we noticed.

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I can't say there was, but not that we noticed.

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Okay, what am I talking to again?

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This is a 10-second chief crew chief of the In-Chip.

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Okay.

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I sure appreciate the good information that's been great talking to you.

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Yeah, I said if our radar hadn't been pushed over, we might be able to give you something else.

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Yeah.

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Just a second.

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What?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Just a second.

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Is it completely been over?

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Or what?

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Our antenna is sent over, and I'm not sure how bad they are.

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It is.

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They have to go up and check on it.

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So it is, it has been completely out now.

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It's disabled.

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We're no longer able to do anything to make.

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But, like I said, it's been nice talking to you, you know.

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If you find out anything, just give us a call in Dropsville and order something.

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Yeah, do you want me to leave our number there?

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Uh, the man over at the city gave it to you.

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Okay, great.

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I said that, you know, since we were a Aircraft Control Agency, that you probably wouldn't mind.

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Yeah, okay, that's great.

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Anytime you have anything, just call a call.

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Okay, I'll tell you what, I certainly do appreciate it.

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And, you know, maybe some other time we'll be able to do a little more help.

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Thanks a lot.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, so this is Phenomenal Research again.

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Yes.

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We just talked to Ellsworth Rappcon and they said that you'd pick those things up again

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in your area.

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Give us any information on that.

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Just a minute.

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The radar seems to be picking up these, uh, sculpts again.

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Uh huh.

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How hard is it to determine exactly what they are?

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Whether they're just interference in the radar or whether they're actually a target return.

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These things move around quite rapidly.

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Whatever it is.

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Right, they go from 70 miles north of Rapid City to over towards DePri and back towards Rapid City.

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Uh huh.

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So is there a presence in the area?

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Is this kind of sporadic?

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Do they come and go?

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Well, that's what I was trying to determine.

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So, the control down there and they were picking them up about three or four minutes ago and then they,

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and they stopped and then they were picking up again, you know.

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So they do come and go.

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They're showing real fed time.

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Yeah, okay.

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Are they showing us pairs all the time?

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Well, they were in pairs and then they just picked up a try, you know.

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So, the majority of the time they are in pairs and now they just had one time where there was three.

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So, the majority of the time they're in pairs.

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Okay, if we get any reports from ground observers, do you want us to do it, you know?

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Yes, you don't mind.

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Okay, thanks very much.

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Thank you very much, Paul.

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Good.